WFF 20 - 1/2 finals and Final

either way throwing for a friend on a tournament is just pulling yourself down if you ask me, but I don't see anything wrong with Navals move from any perspective I would do the same

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Originally Posted by NoNameZ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WVcaRh6r_E

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I did give away points to Naxo on purpose there, since there was no rule about it.
https://ffs.gg/threads/95040-WFF-OS-9-Qualifying-Round

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Originally Posted by Zeke#

It isn't really so hard to believe , you may take a look at this moment when xecn was right on hunter pickup and suddenly gets fps drop which at end gives him 0 points while could get at least 2, despite being 1st the fps drop made him actually ~600ms slower than mixhet who was behind him. https://youtu.be/XtYH5imOAxo?t=205 I have found also several clips where people are "giving away points" or "acting like they don't know map" so I hope you won't be forgetting about them , but let's not forget also that some people might not understand how this game works and that rarely someone has same playstyle so it would be pretty dumb to judge someone the way he tried to prevent his issues that would lead to failing a map, unless you have some very solid proofs like this one where Limbo slowed down for Robert : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0IJmtBfwx8 , Or where Triplex slowed down for shael : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRHCH5_wq0E , or for example Zoilo who just drove off the road : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN-hmKKDDWY , one more where Anwix slows down, goes back and just drives off track : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkM5...outu.be&t=4535.

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I guess this rule will be taken way more seriously from now on, this behaviour is not really acceptable and I do think that everyone doing it should be punished. We all know this is not the first time this happens but this seems to be the most serious one being on Semi-Finals, all we can hope for is this to be a good warning for everyone that these things will no longer be tolerated nor ignored hence having a healthier competitive enviorement for everyone.

FPS Drops do happen a lot, yeah, but as someone who's been playing this game since 2011, Naval's thing on Out of Time doesn't look like FPS Drops at all and many will agree, and all that can be seen is Naval taking the curve like a RPG player for absolutely no reason and releasing W hence losing like 400ms (???).
In Darmos' clip shared by Naval himself you can clearly see the FPS Drops causing that rubber-band effect on him which is something that always happens in these scenarios, in Out of Time, there's no rubber-band effect at all.

This rule is old as hell, I remember it being first introduced after Driver threw for Walk on EoS leading to Shankz being out of WFF like 2 years ago, it is well known for everyone that it's not allowed to do anymore and it's a shame to see these things happening again and I really think it ruins the fun of all of this.

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Originally Posted by Adidas

I guess this rule will be taken way more seriously from now on.

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ffs as always changing / adding rules when they want or feel for it ����

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Originally Posted by Adidas

FPS Drops do happen a lot, yeah, but as someone who's been playing this game since 2011, Naval's thing on Out of Time doesn't look like FPS Drops at all and many will agree, and all that can be seen is Naval taking the curve like a RPG player for absolutely no reason and releasing W hence losing like 400ms (???).

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It really is surprising how everyone is considering Naval an unbeatable robot that can't make any minor mistake, even the best players can have bad moments, just my opinion.

This is literally got out of hand, closed temporary.

Without Naval it's not the final .verified.

I personally see this situation get twisted by certain replies within the thread but the view(s) on this matter is clearly getting out of context and excessive to the point where half of the replies mentioned in this thread contradicts the whole situation. My name got mentioned here which is the reason for my upcoming lengthy reply.

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Originally Posted by Naval

I recognize I released W in that part of Out of time, but as I told you, I had fps drop and I thought I was going to fail, because as seen in the video, I went a little more to the right than normal and I would fail if I kept holding W, or that is what I felt and reacted that way at that moment.
My computer is trash and I always experience fps drops during the game, here is a recent example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Hy1qOoQqU&t=4677s (44:38)

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Comparing both evidence provided by yourself, Naval, and Robert's evidence against you, you can clearly see the difference between what an actual FPS drop looks like compared to what you did on 'Out of time'. You do realise even a minor drop would be noticeable in the 'Out of time' clip. We both know that line you took was blatant. An elastic-band effect would've taken place (just like the evidence you've provided, which still goes against your own point).

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Originally Posted by CascaDe

Well, you can be sure with this move, he's slowing down for friend and wants to give points but how can you be sure his little move on out of time for giving points?

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This quote on it's own proves my point of allowing people to pass. It's happened in the past and he is well aware of the rule. But this is out-dated so let's move on.

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Originally Posted by Zeke#

It isn't really so hard to believe , you may take a look at this moment when xecn was right on hunter pickup and suddenly gets fps drop which at end gives him 0 points while could get at least 2, despite being 1st the fps drop made him actually ~600ms slower than mixhet who was behind him. https://youtu.be/XtYH5imOAxo?t=205

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This also literally goes against Naval's reasoning. A legitimate FPS drop would look somewhat to what you've provided. You've single handedly contributed evidence which goes against Naval's point so I want to congratulate you on that.

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Originally Posted by Zeke#

or for example Zoilo who just drove off the road : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN-hmKKDDWY [/url].

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I wasn't informed on the rule at the time of the event; unlike Naval who claimed he is aware of the rule. I already had a long discussion with Tails which doesn't concern you. I am now obviously aware of the rule, so if you have anything after that incident I'd appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by Zeke#

It really is surprising how everyone is considering Naval an unbeatable robot that can't make any minor mistake, even the best players can have bad moments, just my opinion.

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You're now stating Naval made a mistake and had a bad moment rather than an FPS drop. Essentially you're digging yourself a grave. There's multiple so called reasons and excuses made up that people reading this thread don't know what to believe anymore.

An additional point I want to make which isn't to do with Naval's situation is how people such as Ronnie and Foxik are capable of editing already perfectly drive-able maps in favour of them simply doing certain parts quicker. For example, the second wall-ride on Artificial Quietness, there's a layer of invisible on the bottom of the wall-ride to prevent players from dropping off. If anything this is sabotaging the map-list in favour of someone and was heavily edited during the stages of WFF, not before it. Let me just remind the future so called 'map-fixers', fixing is where you edit the map to prevent a certain bug from occurring (i.e. changing shades to the 6959 object to prevent bounces) and not where you simply edit a map and add a load of invisible objects for the sake of doing a certain part faster, have some respect to the author and perhaps try not to sabotage a map-list, especially for the biggest race-based tournament in MTA; it's sickening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGCKB679lFc&feature=youtu.be

Good luck to the finalists