RMS v2 ideas and conclusion of RMS v1

Hey guys,

The weeks/months of RMS v1 are now over and I want to make a conclusion about it.
I also want to give some infos about the concept I've thought about for RMS v2 (no announcement yet^^)
All upcoming votes you'll find below will somewhen be made in the RMS Discord server.

Warning: Alot of text :D


=== Contents ===

1. Conclusion of RMS v1

1.1. What went wrong?

1. Leavings

2. Delays

3. Not responding / not mapping

4. Unfinished maps

5. Special apology

1.2. What went well?

1. Communication / Problem solving

2. Special thanks / Backup mappers

1.3. Summary / Reasons for changes in RMS v2

2. Concept for RMS v2

2.1. Reason for changes 2.0

2.2. Idea: "Limits"

2.3. Idea: "Control"

2.4. Themes /Styles

3. Management and timing changes

3.1 Timing changes

3.2 Management changes

1. Conclusion for RMS v1

Alright guys, what can I say.. I hope RMS v1 was a lot of fun for you guys, because for me most of the time it was.
But most of the time means that it wasn't always fun - and that is what I would like to explain here.
But of course, after that I will also mention the positive things, this will not only be a "complain" ;)

1.1 What went wrong with RMS v1?

1. Leavings:
In RMS v1 there was a total of 7 mappers who left. 3 more had to be kicked out, because they didn't map at all.. that's bad, and sad. (Almost 1/4, 10 out of 44 mappers!)
It's sad they left because they could have done a great job for RMS v1 with their maps and maybe several players would have liked to see their parts, too.
It's also bad for another reason: They disappointed me (Ceeser) and of course the other players/mappers too. And with their departure it wasn't done there just yet.
As you can see in the documentation file it was a lot of work trying to keep RMS running with all that stuff happening.
But in the end 2 maps had to get cancelled / removed because the start-mappers already didn't map or they already decided to leave. So yea, and that's only the first 2 weeks.
Later on many more players left which was even more difficult to handle. First there was only Gravity as a backup mapper, but he also cancelled that application later due to not having enough time.
After W1-2 I had to make a call out for backup mappers. And I'm grateful the players/participant listened, but I will write more about that later ;)

2. Delays:
Each participant had 2 maps to work on. The task they applied for, twice. They had 2 weeks to complete each map.
I thought it sounded managable, but as it turns out: I was wrong.
During the whole event many (at the moment 17 at W7-8 start) maps (and with that, mapping weeks) got delayed. The biggest delay was 8 days.
Everybody applied for the task and preferred weeks they wanted to work on. So why was it so difficult for some mappers to get their task done?
I have to mention one example: ShondeX. Task: Track. Track is a thing that's easily possible to do within 2 weeks. Guess what? He didn't manage to even start his map in time during both weeks. I also ended up having to delay both of his maps with 5 days.
I wouldn't and didn't complain if a decorator took 1-2 days longer than expected. Deco can consume alot of time, but track? Cmon track mappers.
There's one thing everbody seemed to have forgotten about: Each day of delay you cause means one less day for your feat partner to work on the map

3. Not responding and not mapping:
As I wrote in the readMe.txt which got sent once with each map every mapper got, you had 3 days to confirm you will map.
You applied for the weeks I've sorted you in and you had 6 weeks (the whole application phase + first 2 mapping weeks) to think twice whether you can map or not.
So you should have known if you are available for the weeks you applied for. You should have known about this event since you applied for it.
So I wonder, how is it be possible to not be available for atleast one or even both weeks you applied for.
If you move to another city / country, or you start working or switch your job.. These are all planned things. You know about these weeks or even months ahead.
Sorry, but I just don't understand why you applied if you knew you might not have time at all.

4. Unfinished maps:
Due to not mapping / not responding we have a total of 7! unfinished maps in RMS v1 (35% of all maps!). Thats a sad thing.
We started with 22 Maps (44 Applicants) first. Several mappers left in the first 2 weeks so we came up with 20 maps at the end. Only 13 of these 20 maps got finished (8 of them in the planned time btw).
So for the mappers who didn't continue / finish their maps:
Your ft partners spent time and effort on the maps. It's a shame that you've wasted that time/effort and the map itself, sorry.

5. Special apology:
Akeno! aka AKENISM applied to make track, but sadly I accidentally sorted him to decorate, which nobody (including him and me) noticed.
When I sent him a map he asked me why the map's track was done and he told me he couldn't make deco, that's how we noticed the issue.
So again, Akeno, sorry for that mistake which took away your chance to participate in RMS.

Alright now, enough with the crying. I hope you understand why it's so important for me to mention these circumstances.
I really hope these things won't happen again, or that they will atleast happen much less in RMS v2.
Now a bit about the positive things:


1.2 What went well during RMS v1?

1. Communication:
Yes, of course it doesn't apply to everyone (as you read above), but with most of you it went well.
There was a lot of stuff that we were able to solve by simple asking / writing.
Players asked me for tips and solutions instead of just trying / doing it on their own. Thank you for taking the rules seriously (let's not talk about the map-showing rule here xD).

2. Special thanks / Backup mappers:
At W3-4 I was kinda desperate due to the amount of departures, I didn't know how to handle it so I made a call out for backup mappers and several people applied for that.
So a special thanks goes out to the backup mappers:
Gravity, D4sJoker, GameX, Risky, Lacia, DarkyZ, budya and especially KarNikkl.
These guys have done a great and very important job by keeping RMS v1 running!


1.3 Summary

RMS v1 was of course the first time I planned and did an event like this, But trying helps learning.
Overall it was fun to manage and nice to see many nice maps getting done, but:
Due to the fact that so many players left, some needed replacement, some issues with players' applications (tasks/weeks) and some players not mapping, many backup mappers were needed.
I've come to the conclusion that some things have to be changed for RMS v2, which I will explain in more detail in the RMS v2 section below.


2. Concept for RMS v2

2.1 Reason for changes:
In my opinion RMS shouldn't always be the same. Because of that I have thought about a few changes I wanna make for RMS v2.
Due to the problems which happened in RMS v1 I wanna explain 2 ideas about what RMS v2 could be like.
I thought about either limiting maps or checking maps, which I will explain below.

2.2 "Limits" idea:
As the name already suggests, this idea is about limiting RMS. Setting a max amount of maps, and with that of course the amount of mappers, too.
Let's say for RMS v2 12 maps are going to be planned. This will mean only 24 mappers are going to be able to participate.
In RMS v1 everybody who had already done a map was allowed to apply.
The only way how applicants could be denied entry was if they only had dislikes or if they had more dislikes than likes on their applications.
In this idea the amount of mappers is limited, so that is going to change. Basically it will get reversed:
Everybody is allowed to apply, but only the 24 mappers with the most likes will get into RMS (12 track and 12 deco mappers with the most likes).
This should reduce the amount of leavings, since...:
1. The players voted you in = the players want to see your map.
2. The mappers are selected by the community, so there should be less bad track / deco to complain about, they voted for the mappers for a reason.
3. Slots are limited. You should only apply if you really want to be a part of- and have time for the event.

2.3 "Control" idea:
This isn't supposed to be as bad as it maybe sounds like, no worries. Actually it's more fair to everybody, because you don't have to select mappers you like and you want to be accepted.
In this idea everybody is still allowed to apply to RMS v2 (if they can prove they have mapped already) and the only way not to get accepted is the same as in RMS v1:
If you only have dislikes or if you have more dislikes than likes on your application.
But then, after the application phase ends this idea will make a change.
Since most of complaints during RMS v1 were about track (obviously, no matter how awesome the deco is.. if the track sucks the map is shit / unplayable), I wanna get in a few map testers.
These map testers can also be a part of RMS v2 as well, but they obviously wouldn't test their own maps.
So.. after W1-2 has passed, every map would be tested by these map testers and they will decide if the map is good enough. So badly mapped / buggy maps could be voted out by them.
With that vote, since it's the start of RMS v2 they would basically vote out participants whose maps are not playable and they would also reduce the amount of maps in RMS v2.

2.4 Themes / Styles:
I know, RMS only had one volume so far, but I think it wouldn't hurt to change something to also offer something new with RMS v2.
For that reason I wanna explain you something I would like to base RMS v2 on: Themes / Styles.
So I've thought about creating maps, random or not fully random (we will see later) assignments based on styles.
Btw: I wont decide "we will take this!", we can ofc discuss about it.

Style examples:
[Style] [Difficulty to pass]
Tracks: "WFF" (Easy / Medium / Hard)
"Normal" (Easy / Medium / Challenging),
"HDM" (Challenging / Hard / Is this even possible?),
"Speed" (Easy / Medium / Challenging)

[Style] [Difficulty to create]
Deco: "Nature / Tropical" (Easy)
"Desert / Canyon" (Easy / Medium)
"Industrial / City" (Medium / Medium / Hard)
"Night / Fancy" (Medium / Hard) -- by fancy I don't mean the mapper Fancy, I mean a non-style decoration or compilation / fitting mix of styles
"Themed" (Medium / Hard) -- With themed I mean based on a game / movie / fiction - example mappers: Disaster, Jakob

If we mix up these styles it could perfectly mix up with the Limits idea (2.2) - If we take 4 Track styles, each with 4 deco styles we have a total of 16, completely different looking maps like this:

Show Example

v2.1: WFF - Nature/Nature/Tropical, v2.2: WFF - Desert/Canyon, v2.3: WFF - Industrial/City, v2.4: WFF - Night/Fancy
v2.5: Normal - Nature/Nature/Tropical, v2.6: Normal - Desert/Canyon, v2.7: Normal - Industrial/City, v2.8: Normal - Night/Fancy
v2.9: HDM - Nature/Nature/Tropical, v2.10: HDM - Desert/Canyon, v2.11: HDM - Industrial/City, v2.12: HDM - Night/Fancy
v2.13: Speed - Nature/Nature/Tropical, v2.14: Speed - Desert/Canyon, v2.15: Speed - Industrial/City, v2.16: Speed - Night/Fancy

I think this would bring something new. Maybe it would even helps mappers finding a new style ;)


3. Management and timing changes

3.1 Timing changes:
Since several players told me that the application phase was too long I decided to change that.
RMS v2 will be announced 4 weeks before the applications start and the application phase will only be a week long.
Like this you will still have enough time to think twice and decide if you have time to participate.
After applications start you won't have to wait ages like you had to in RMS v1. (sorry about that once again xD)

Also it will be discussed whether there will be changes about the mapping weeks:
In RMS v1 track and deco mappers had 2 weeks each to complete their task on the map.
This is kinda unfair actually, because track can be done within a few hours (of mapping time) while decoration takes quite more.
Because of that I will also make the community / mappers decide if it should:
A: Stay the same as in RMS v1 (2 weeks for track mappers and decorators)
B: Reduce time for track mappers (1 week for track mappers and 2 weeks for decorators)
C: Expand time for decorators (2 weeks for track mappers and 3 weeks for decorators)
D: Reduce time for track & expand for deco (1 week for track mappers and 3 weeks for decorators)


3.2 Management changes:
The management in RMS v1 was sometimes a mess and chaotic because of 100 things happening at the same time, while at other days there was nothing going on.
So I want to get a second RMS manager for RMS v2 who can help solving problems, recieve / check / send the maps.. so basically everything ^^

In addition to that I would like to:
1. Get some backup mappers in advance - I've noticed what happened in RMS v1 and this time I would like to play it safe and be prepared.
2. Get some dedicated map testers who are allowed to check / test maps, meta, scripts.
These map testers are not allowed to participate, except if RMS v2 will include the "Control" idea, where every map will be tested, or atleast in W1-2.
3. Get some mappers or nice players who would like to provide mapping servers, so that every participant will have the opportunity to map on his "own" server.
I know, everybody could map in their local editor.. but during RMS v1 there were several mappers in a "group" of participants, mapping on just a few servers which shouldn't happen.

I hope you enjoyed RMS and join us (again) in RMS v2, whenever it will start.
Let me know your opinions about the ideas for RMS v2 and the idea with Styles/Themes.

Sincerely, Ceeser.

Sorry for my map delay and laziness, at long last I finished it with Upper and it's not that bad as I supposed to be.
Idea with map themes is just brilliant.

Well imo reducing mapping time for track mappers is just suicide, especially if there were big delays in RMS v1. In my case I spent almost full 2 weeks on making track to have few days to fix/change smth if you (Ceeser) found smth bad looking/bugged. 1 week would be too short to think about the track twice, if all parts I made are actually enjoyable to me/not bugged at all (imagine Slimy making not bugged track lul).

Other than that I guess that Map Themes might make decorating even harder/longer if you would get the deco style you did never try, even tho the idea sounds good and would be great to watch in the end of event.



See you in v2 if luckily I won’t get voted off : ) Good luck mapping

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Originally Posted by Ceeser1

2.4 Themes / Styles:
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So I've thought about creating maps, random or not fully random (we will see later) assignments based on styles.

3.1 Timing changes:
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A: Stay the same as in RMS v1 (2 weeks for track mappers and decorators)
B: Reduce time for track mappers (1 week for track mappers and 2 weeks for decorators)
C: Expand time for decorators (2 weeks for track mappers and 3 weeks for decorators)
D: Reduce time for track & expand for deco (1 week for track mappers and 3 weeks for decorators)

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About the mapping times, as you see: I want to give that decision to the mappers.
About the themes: I guess that can be decided by the mappers in their application then (Or at least they could vote against one theme or idk)

I'm not sure what to think about the limited maps rule.
If we think about it that 20/44 mappers would've been gone in RMS v1 (if the limit is set to 12 maps), there would've been a lot of mappers who don't stand a chance to participate.
In first place I'm thinking about mappers like Takash who did an awesome job in RMS v1, it's hard to say if he would've been able to participate with 20 slots less. I get the point that it might decreases the chance of people leaving the event but it also can take away the chance of motivated newcomers to show what they've got.

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Originally Posted by Karni

I'm not sure what to think about the limited maps rule.
If we think about it that 20/44 mappers would've been gone in RMS v1 (if the limit is set to 12 maps), there would've been a lot of mappers who don't stand a chance to participate.

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For now its just something I've thought about.
Also, if we for example combine it with the themes (16 maps) that would mean 32 mappers can participate.

Im reason of one unfinished map but how i can have fun from doing fucking trash map?
I dont like when someone judge me that I wasted mappers time, how i could waste it if they did their parts in probably 1 hour without any effort, continuing shits like that was fucking strange and I felt that I lost my time af. After one map that i needed to rework track and do deco for it( I did my best for it), next mappers just destroyed all, I just lost any motivation to do next map that I would rework again.
Once someone told me that I dont need to rework it.. but hey.... if map are unplayable then I needed to do something.

When you will start with RMS 2, then try to find 3-5 most experienced and best mappers for being judges, Then let them assess who can do playable map and who can take a part in RMS. Let this tournament give fun to everyone, not only to beginners who are fucking happy that they going to have map with their idol in contrast to experienced mappers who are embarrased that they need to create shit.

RMS 1, was a good experince and I can wait to participate in RMS 2 as well. I'm thinking of making the vote more decent next time it will be good apart from avoiding the "Delay". I hope next RMS will be awesome ^^

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Originally Posted by HeVi

next mappers just destroyed all, I just lost any motivation

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Rude, but dont blame DarkyZ, his deco was even better (more detailed) than yours. If someone DeStRoYeD your map it's just me with a bad track ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by slimy

Rude, but dont blame DarkyZ, his deco was even better (more detailed) than yours. If someone DeStRoYeD your map it's just me with a bad track ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Resized flowers to x30, big green markers and trees that wont even load on rec cuz were x50. Forget to add that "real" way of "roads" in deco and that random buildings xd YEA A LOT OF DETAILS

But this post is not about our problems with maps. I just wrote why experienced mappers wont have fun.

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Originally Posted by HeVi

Im reason of one unfinished map but how i can have fun from doing fucking trash map?
I dont like when someone judge me that I wasted mappers time, how i could waste it if they did their parts in probably 1 hour without any effort, continuing shits like that was fucking strange and I felt that I lost my time af. After one map that i needed to rework track and do deco for it( I did my best for it), next mappers just destroyed all, I just lost any motivation to do next map that I would rework again.
Once someone told me that I dont need to rework it.. but hey.... if map are unplayable then I needed to do something.

When you will start with RMS 2, then try to find 3-5 most experienced and best mappers for being judges, Then let them assess who can do playable map and who can take a part in RMS. Let this tournament give fun to everyone, not only to beginners who are fucking happy that they going to have map with their idol in contrast to experienced mappers who are embarrased that they need to create shit.

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I can agree to it to some degree. This "event" got me the first map I have refused to map on since I started mapping years ago, it's a full on coinflip if you're getting something good or bad, and it seems to land more on bad than good, same goes to motivation of the mappers you have your map with. I'm for example still waiting for people to finish their job on 2 maps (which is one minute of track on one and 40s of deco on the other, like cmon) whilst all I kept getting was "Yeah I'll do it, it isn't much work anyway" and end up still having not touched it a month later, I'll not call out names to not talk trash about them. Would have been nice if people would show the effort Karnikkl has put into it, well maybe a bit less, but you get it. Experience I had with v1 just makes me not want to consider even applying for v2.

This whole concept is stupid, why forcing someone to map if he doesn't want to?

Finally i know what is rms haha

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Originally Posted by -DeLeTe-

This whole concept is stupid, why forcing someone to map if he doesn't want to?

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Why sign up for the event if they don't want to map?

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Originally Posted by HeVi

Im reason of one unfinished map but how i can have fun from doing fucking trash map?
I dont like when someone judge me that I wasted mappers time, how i could waste it if they did their parts in probably 1 hour without any effort, continuing shits like that was fucking strange and I felt that I lost my time af. After one map that i needed to rework track and do deco for it( I did my best for it), next mappers just destroyed all, I just lost any motivation to do next map that I would rework again.
Once someone told me that I dont need to rework it.. but hey.... if map are unplayable then I needed to do something.

When you will start with RMS 2, then try to find 3-5 most experienced and best mappers for being judges, Then let them assess who can do playable map and who can take a part in RMS. Let this tournament give fun to everyone, not only to beginners who are fucking happy that they going to have map with their idol in contrast to experienced mappers who are embarrased that they need to create shit.

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You basically explained why I dont make fts without friends, thanks

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Originally Posted by HiImSyrus

I can agree to it to some degree. This "event" got me the first map I have refused to map on since I started mapping years ago, it's a full on coinflip if you're getting something good or bad, and it seems to land more on bad than good, same goes to motivation of the mappers you have your map with. I'm for example still waiting for people to finish their job on 2 maps (which is one minute of track on one and 40s of deco on the other, like cmon) whilst all I kept getting was "Yeah I'll do it, it isn't much work anyway" and end up still having not touched it a month later, I'll not call out names to not talk trash about them. Would have been nice if people would show the effort Karnikkl has put into it, well maybe a bit less, but you get it. Experience I had with v1 just makes me not want to consider even applying for v2.

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dude you can talk trash about me because you talked about me in your whole comment. And np i will do it in 2 years

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Originally Posted by BTLT

dude you can talk trash about me because you talked about me in your whole comment. And np i will do it in 2 years

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actually, no, not just you, you're one of the 3 I talked about

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Originally Posted by HeVi

Resized flowers to x30, big green markers and trees that wont even load on rec cuz were x50. Forget to add that "real" way of "roads" in deco and that random buildings xd YEA A LOT OF DETAILS

But this post is not about our problems with maps. I just wrote why experienced mappers wont have fun.

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So at this point I didnt say much when you didnt like my deco. I tried my best copying your " same rocks same tree and palms " decoration, I'm sorry I couldn't paste the same shit everywhere and call it decoration. As far the scaling flowers and plants not being visible, it was a script in the map that wasnt started which allowed some of the stuff to disappear. Overall I respect you as a mapper, but when I've been told the 2nd half of the decoration was way better, I think that says enough when I was just a backup mapper. @slimy your track was good, you did way better than expected. Keep on improving.
DarkyZ

Well to be fair... RMS v1 wasn’t rules/management fault, it was MAPPERS fault. While writing an application you obliged to take a part in 2 maps which means about 3 minutes of either track or deco. If you know the definition of word „random” then you should’ve expected who you might have to work with. Imo you SHOULD complete this task no matter what, but many people just kept on leaving/not mapping „bcs not”. There might be few reasons for that, but still... it shows if you are a trustable person or not. Imagine that Karni participated in 6 (out of total 13 finished maps!) maps even tho he had tons of individual unfinished maps and some of you just didn’t move a muscle because „their carrier would be destroyed” by making 1 or 2 bad maps. I understand that you might think that some beginning mappers did their job within 2 hours and you won’t put any effort if they didn’t, but what if they really tried? How can you know if they didnt spent full 2 weeks on improving their part, but still the result isn’t perfect? If one of my maps would stay unfinished I would be really sad since I spent about a month doing something you just judge „bad”.

RMS would be better with 5 out of 5 maps finished than 13 out of 20 finished and some with big delays, but sadly this is how the world works and some people don’t give a fuck about others and since we can’t really punish them in any other way than banning them from next RMS events they just felt unpunished for the whole time.




Much respect to backup mappers and those who participated in more than 2 maps to keep the RMS event alive

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Originally Posted by slimy

If you know the definition of word „random” then you should’ve expected who you might have to work with. Imo you SHOULD complete this task no matter what, but many people just kept on leaving/not mapping „bcs not”. There might be few reasons for that, but still... it shows if you are a trustable person or not. Imagine that Karni participated in 6 (out of total 13 finished maps!) maps even tho he had tons of individual unfinished maps and some of you just didn’t move a muscle because „their carrier would be destroyed” by making 1 or 2 bad maps.

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Just because I wanna mention it, after all RMS was literally the most fun I've ever had mapping for a long time.
I never cared about to get the awesome mappers in my maps in first place, I saw RMS as a chance to try new things out I wouldn't do usually. Especially after doing 6 maps (and that aren't even all the maps I'm included yet.. XD) where the majority of decoration I had to do wasn't even close to my style I've got a whole new view of mapping.
On maps like Riptide or Bipolar it was the very first time I had to try to not overdose decoration + doing nature which I use about 10-15% max in most of my maps.
On Neon Cloak it was kinda hard for me to simply copy ZinC's decoration so I found my way to combine it with stuff I usually do which seemingly worked out fine after what I've heard about the map (same with Glare of Wisdom, GameX's decoration was the hardest for me).
Beside that I was also able to decide how to decorate a track of someone else with nobody who could stop me which is a situation I appreciated since fts. can be very hard sometimes with expectations.
I used that chance to make the decoration of Dire Docks and it not only ended up being my favorite map of RMS (ye ik, Im an arrogant piece of shit but it's my opinion xD) but it's also one of my most effort maps because whoever made the track, no matter if I like him or not, no matter if he is famous or not, I just wanted to give my best to make him happy when he sees the map again.
I feel like getting effort like that to your map, no matter if you put it in yourself or not will rather make you regret you didn't give all because you lost potential to that map which you might change in future maps or you will be proud of yourself for giving everything aswell.

I really hope EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE will be able to stop thinking about mapping with legendary mappers like Gteatero, BriaN etc. or stops mapping because the map "sucks".
Probably a bad argument for someone who likes maps like ZinC v7 but I don't see the point in calling maps objectiviely bad, you rather like a map or you don't but DM map ratings shouldn't be based on what the majority of the community likes the most.

To all the "legendary mappers" who will participate in RMS v2: Don't fucking quit a map because it's too bad for you, just make your part on it well to show them how it's done, at least that won't kill the motivation for the mappers and especially Ceeser.

To all the "small mappers": Don't fucking participate with the intention to map with the big guys, you should be able to appreciate every ft. partner you get and try your best.

I really loved RMS and even tho I had quite fun doing my extra maps on it it isn't how it should be done guys!
So get yourself together next time and let's make some sick maps!

P.S.: Slimy ft when?

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Originally Posted by Karni

Just because I wanna mention it, after all RMS was literally the most fun I've ever had mapping for a long time.
I never cared about to get the awesome mappers in my maps in first place, I saw RMS as a chance to try new things out I wouldn't do usually. Especially after doing 6 maps (and that aren't even all the maps I'm included yet.. XD) where the majority of decoration I had to do wasn't even close to my style I've got a whole new view of mapping.
On maps like Riptide or Bipolar it was the very first time I had to try to not overdose decoration + doing nature which I use about 10-15% max in most of my maps.
On Neon Cloak it was kinda hard for me to simply copy ZinC's decoration so I found my way to combine it with stuff I usually do which seemingly worked out fine after what I've heard about the map (same with Glare of Wisdom, GameX's decoration was the hardest for me).
Beside that I was also able to decide how to decorate a track of someone else with nobody who could stop me which is a situation I appreciated since fts. can be very hard sometimes with expectations.
I used that chance to make the decoration of Dire Docks and it not only ended up being my favorite map of RMS (ye ik, Im an arrogant piece of shit but it's my opinion xD) but it's also one of my most effort maps because whoever made the track, no matter if I like him or not, no matter if he is famous or not, I just wanted to give my best to make him happy when he sees the map again.
I feel like getting effort like that to your map, no matter if you put it in yourself or not will rather make you regret you didn't give all because you lost potential to that map which you might change in future maps or you will be proud of yourself for giving everything aswell.

I really hope EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE will be able to stop thinking about mapping with legendary mappers like Gteatero, BriaN etc. or stops mapping because the map "sucks".
Probably a bad argument for someone who likes maps like ZinC v7 but I don't see the point in calling maps objectiviely bad, you rather like a map or you don't but DM map ratings shouldn't be based on what the majority of the community likes the most.

To all the "legendary mappers" who will participate in RMS v2: Don't fucking quit a map because it's too bad for you, just make your part on it well to show them how it's done, at least that won't kill the motivation for the mappers and especially Ceeser.

To all the "small mappers": Don't fucking participate with the intention to map with the big guys, you should be able to appreciate every ft. partner you get and try your best.

I really loved RMS and even tho I had quite fun doing my extra maps on it it isn't how it should be done guys!
So get yourself together next time and let's make some sick maps!

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This is basically what I thought while joining RMS - Let's have some fun and make some weird collaborations with ANY other mappers. If there were more people sharing Karni's mindset it would be awesome

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Originally Posted by Karni

P.S.: Slimy ft when?

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At RMS v2 I suppose : )

@Darkyz and @slimy It's not your fault that I dont like your parts, i knew that i can get some better or worse mapper but I didnt know that almost everyone who left application will be in RMS. Also as a mapper who did a lot of maps, some od them better, some worse, i have bigger expectations from maps. Thats all, you are pretty new mappers so I cant expect fucking masterpiece, I just was prepared for masterpiece Then voting dissapointed me.

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Originally Posted by HeVi

... i knew that i can get some better or worse mapper but I didnt know that almost everyone who left application will be in RMS ...

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Well but that was obvious that everybody who made an application entered RMS, because barely anyone voted.
This was what I wrote in RMS discord and in FFS Forums RMS 1 announcement:

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But this doesnt mean you are in already. Players are allowed to vote.
If you like somebodys application (want him to be a participant) please leave a heart reaction.
If you dont like somebodys application (dont want him to be a participant) please leave a broken heart reaction.
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So everybody had a chance to vote FOR and AGAINST applicants.
Btw: There is one player who didn't join RMS due to too many dislikes on his application.

I'd suggest not signing up for something that's supposed to be 'random' if you're just gonna bitch and complain about the map you received. I mean, the name of the series says it all, if you're looking for only something "good" then just do what's been done for years, ask a mapper of your choice to collab or just try to join in some feat request. But don't willingly decide to join something that's completely random then complain about it afterwards because the map that you were given wasn't to your expectations. Anyways props to Ceeser for this idea, would love to take part in the v2 if I can get my schedule cleared up

Alright we were discussing a bit about RMS v2 in the discord channel.. this is what will probably come:
1. It will start in the mid of january 2020.
2. Unlike RMS v1 you can now apply for these tasks: 2x Track or 2x Deco or 1x Track and 1x Deco.
3. Themed/Style-based maps will not be a part of RMS v2